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	<title>Comments on: Romney the lawyer: Murder &#8220;means different things to different people&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: eyeon08.com &#187; Romney cites his education as authority</title>
		<link>http://sorendayton.com/2007/06/02/romney-the-lawyer-murder-means-different-things-to-different-people/comment-page-1/#comment-1704</link>
		<dc:creator>eyeon08.com &#187; Romney cites his education as authority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This reminded me when he tried to weasel out of answering a question about whether abortion was murder by invoking being a lawyer: I don&#8217;t want to use that term because it means different things to different people. &#8230; It is taking human life &#8230; Murder has &#8212; I used to go to law school &#8212; murder has malice of forethought and&#160; all sorts of other things &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This reminded me when he tried to weasel out of answering a question about whether abortion was murder by invoking being a lawyer: I don&rsquo;t want to use that term because it means different things to different people. &hellip; It is taking human life &hellip; Murder has &mdash; I used to go to law school &mdash; murder has malice of forethought and&nbsp; all sorts of other things &hellip; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ee2793</title>
		<link>http://sorendayton.com/2007/06/02/romney-the-lawyer-murder-means-different-things-to-different-people/comment-page-1/#comment-1699</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, am I surprised Dems go to this blog to read news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, am I surprised Dems go to this blog to read news?</p>
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		<title>By: ALB</title>
		<link>http://sorendayton.com/2007/06/02/romney-the-lawyer-murder-means-different-things-to-different-people/comment-page-1/#comment-1703</link>
		<dc:creator>ALB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike Romney, who used to go to law school, I am in law school.  Less experienced and unqualified, but with a casebook at my side.

As I sit here studying for my crim law exam, I&#039;ll just note that the California Supreme Court, in 1970, heard a case about whether or not a man could be convicted of murder for severely beating his 8 month pregnant ex-wife, killing the child she was carrying.  A four week premature infant is viable, even in those days.

The result: it was not murder.  Why?  Because California&#039;s criminal law was specifically only statutory (if it wasn&#039;t what the statute described as murder, it wasn&#039;t murder).  The court concluded that the statutory definition of murder in California, dating back to 1850, only applied to those born alive.  Feticide wasn&#039;t within the statutory definition.  (My casebook doesn&#039;t say--and I haven&#039;t researched the issue in the midst of finals--whether California later passed an amendment criminalizing this).

All this to say: murder does often mean something slightly different in the courts of different states.  But it&#039;s still a really cr*ppy answer by Romney, and one which utterly dodges the heart of the question.

(And most states no longer define murder through &quot;malice aforethought&quot; or &quot;depraved heart&quot; or any other nifty language.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike Romney, who used to go to law school, I am in law school.  Less experienced and unqualified, but with a casebook at my side.</p>
<p>As I sit here studying for my crim law exam, I&#8217;ll just note that the California Supreme Court, in 1970, heard a case about whether or not a man could be convicted of murder for severely beating his 8 month pregnant ex-wife, killing the child she was carrying.  A four week premature infant is viable, even in those days.</p>
<p>The result: it was not murder.  Why?  Because California&#8217;s criminal law was specifically only statutory (if it wasn&#8217;t what the statute described as murder, it wasn&#8217;t murder).  The court concluded that the statutory definition of murder in California, dating back to 1850, only applied to those born alive.  Feticide wasn&#8217;t within the statutory definition.  (My casebook doesn&#8217;t say&#8211;and I haven&#8217;t researched the issue in the midst of finals&#8211;whether California later passed an amendment criminalizing this).</p>
<p>All this to say: murder does often mean something slightly different in the courts of different states.  But it&#8217;s still a really cr*ppy answer by Romney, and one which utterly dodges the heart of the question.</p>
<p>(And most states no longer define murder through &#8220;malice aforethought&#8221; or &#8220;depraved heart&#8221; or any other nifty language.)</p>
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		<title>By: blackrepublican</title>
		<link>http://sorendayton.com/2007/06/02/romney-the-lawyer-murder-means-different-things-to-different-people/comment-page-1/#comment-1702</link>
		<dc:creator>blackrepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you can&#039;t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t.&quot;  I think this is his motto. I understand because I&#039;m in consulting as well and you can clearly see when the consultant comes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you can&#8217;t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t.&#8221;  I think this is his motto. I understand because I&#8217;m in consulting as well and you can clearly see when the consultant comes out.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckeyeStateBlog</title>
		<link>http://sorendayton.com/2007/06/02/romney-the-lawyer-murder-means-different-things-to-different-people/comment-page-1/#comment-1701</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckeyeStateBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and yea. Romney waffled like crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and yea. Romney waffled like crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckeyeStateBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckeyeStateBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howdy,

My name&#039;s Jerid, and I asked the question at the townhall. Also, I happen to be a Democrat (gasp).

I think it&#039;s a fair question. In any scenario where abortion is made illegal, there are going to be penalties for breaking the law. I&#039;d just like to know what candidates think those penalties should be. Also, I think its fair to get the candidates on record as to whether they believe abortion is murder or not - that should affect their outlook.


Best,
Jerid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy,</p>
<p>My name&#8217;s Jerid, and I asked the question at the townhall. Also, I happen to be a Democrat (gasp).</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a fair question. In any scenario where abortion is made illegal, there are going to be penalties for breaking the law. I&#8217;d just like to know what candidates think those penalties should be. Also, I think its fair to get the candidates on record as to whether they believe abortion is murder or not &#8211; that should affect their outlook.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Jerid</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or whenever Romney get&#039;s asked a tough question, he just tries to confuse his audience and hope they don&#039;t keep pressing him. Remember the stem cell question in the first debate, he used a bunch of jargon that nobody had any clue about instead of actually taking a stand. This sort of pandering may have worked in the ole days, but in the youtube, gotcha journalism, and video tracker era, it&#039;s going to be a tough road ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or whenever Romney get&#8217;s asked a tough question, he just tries to confuse his audience and hope they don&#8217;t keep pressing him. Remember the stem cell question in the first debate, he used a bunch of jargon that nobody had any clue about instead of actually taking a stand. This sort of pandering may have worked in the ole days, but in the youtube, gotcha journalism, and video tracker era, it&#8217;s going to be a tough road ahead.</p>
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