Comments on: Romney attacks conservative activist for flip-flopping http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/ Merely an aggregation of a dispersed life online Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:32:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: For President » Romney, ¿el gran comunicador?, take 2. Or just dishonest? http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2166 For President » Romney, ¿el gran comunicador?, take 2. Or just dishonest? Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:07:30 +0000 http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/#comment-2166 [...] Now, I wouldn’t normally make a fuss of this. But the Romney campaign has done this before. It started with Brian Camenker, who they attacked. For a while they pulled the attack down, but then put it back up, but removed all the links on their website. (This is now how they do personal attacks. They just pass the URL around) [...] [...] Now, I wouldn’t normally make a fuss of this. But the Romney campaign has done this before. It started with Brian Camenker, who they attacked. For a while they pulled the attack down, but then put it back up, but removed all the links on their website. (This is now how they do personal attacks. They just pass the URL around) [...]

]]> By: eyeon08.com » Romney, ¿el gran comunicador?, take 2. Or just dishonest? http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2165 eyeon08.com » Romney, ¿el gran comunicador?, take 2. Or just dishonest? Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:12:59 +0000 http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/#comment-2165 [...] Now, I wouldn’t normally make a fuss of this. But the Romney campaign has done this before. It started with Brian Camenker, who they attacked. For a while they pulled the attack down, but then put it back up, but removed all the links on their website. (This is now how they do personal attacks. They just pass the URL around) [...] [...] Now, I wouldn’t normally make a fuss of this. But the Romney campaign has done this before. It started with Brian Camenker, who they attacked. For a while they pulled the attack down, but then put it back up, but removed all the links on their website. (This is now how they do personal attacks. They just pass the URL around) [...]

]]> By: Straight Talk Alabama » Romney camp–another “oops” http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2164 Straight Talk Alabama » Romney camp–another “oops” Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:53:48 +0000 http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/#comment-2164 [...] Lots of other blogs have picked this up. It’s really turning into a problem for Romney. The Romney campaign seems so insecure about criticisms that it exploded on this mid-level (not that we’re any better) blogger. [...] [...] Lots of other blogs have picked this up. It’s really turning into a problem for Romney. The Romney campaign seems so insecure about criticisms that it exploded on this mid-level (not that we’re any better) blogger. [...]

]]> By: eyeon08.com » Was Romney’s Camenker attack a Forti mistake? http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2163 eyeon08.com » Was Romney’s Camenker attack a Forti mistake? Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:07:12 +0000 http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/#comment-2163 [...] Mitt Romney’s attack on Brian Camenker has been criticized in a number of places (I did it here). However, National Journal’s Danny Glover has what might be the beginning of the explanation: Carl Forti doesn’t get the new media: Yes, that’s right, the same Mitt Romney who earned endless kudos this week for being so smart about new media has hired as deputy campaign manager and political director the same man (Forti) who has been dismissive of blogs. While working as communications director at the National Republican Congressional Committee, Forti pretty much ignored blogs and made it clear why: "A lot of times, you just don’t know how reliable the information on these things is. … Ninety percent of the time, we know more than they do." [...] [...] Mitt Romney’s attack on Brian Camenker has been criticized in a number of places (I did it here). However, National Journal’s Danny Glover has what might be the beginning of the explanation: Carl Forti doesn’t get the new media: Yes, that’s right, the same Mitt Romney who earned endless kudos this week for being so smart about new media has hired as deputy campaign manager and political director the same man (Forti) who has been dismissive of blogs. While working as communications director at the National Republican Congressional Committee, Forti pretty much ignored blogs and made it clear why: "A lot of times, you just don’t know how reliable the information on these things is. … Ninety percent of the time, we know more than they do." [...]

]]> By: Ankle Biting Pundits » Blog Archive » Townhall.com Column http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2162 Ankle Biting Pundits » Blog Archive » Townhall.com Column Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:50:02 +0000 http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/#comment-2162 [...] Also at Townhall.com is this perceptive post from Matt Lewis titled, “Don’t Hit a Gadfly with a Sledgehammer.” Lewis takes a look at Gov. Mitt Romney’s ongoing battle with conservative activists in his home state. Here’s a sampling: If Camenker is so irrelevant, then why is Romney trying to take him down? Why not let someone else take down Camenker? Get a surrogate, for crying out loud, Gov. Romney, but don’t dirty your hands on this man … [...] [...] Also at Townhall.com is this perceptive post from Matt Lewis titled, “Don’t Hit a Gadfly with a Sledgehammer.” Lewis takes a look at Gov. Mitt Romney’s ongoing battle with conservative activists in his home state. Here’s a sampling: If Camenker is so irrelevant, then why is Romney trying to take him down? Why not let someone else take down Camenker? Get a surrogate, for crying out loud, Gov. Romney, but don’t dirty your hands on this man … [...]

]]> By: fredo http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2161 fredo Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:11:52 +0000 http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/#comment-2161 Consumatopia, Either you've been paying no attention whatsoever or are willfully misrepresenting the facts. You write: "Romney does no such thing–he attempts to deny that he ever changed his mind, even though his positions are clearly completely new" How do you square that with Romney's actual words of <b>this week</b>: "Well, I just got a look at the excerpts from my debate against Ted Kennedy in 1994, and it reminded me of why I ran against him in the first place. Someone had to give him a run for his money. Now it also shows, y’know, what 13 years will do. I’m grayer, I’m a little heavier, and I hope I’ve grown a bit wiser, as well. Of course, I was wrong on some issues back then. I’m not embarrased to admit that. I think most of us learn with experience. I know I certainly have." <a href="http://race42008.com/2007/01/11/i-was-wrong-on-some-issues-back-then-im-not-embarrased-to-admit-that/" rel="nofollow">Here's</a> the link. Don't distort facts. Romney has explained both the when and the why he evolved on life issues, and if you actually wanted his explanations, they're mere clicks away on the internet. Consumatopia,

Either you’ve been paying no attention whatsoever or are willfully misrepresenting the facts. You write:

“Romney does no such thing–he attempts to deny that he ever changed his mind, even though his positions are clearly completely new”

How do you square that with Romney’s actual words of this week:

“Well, I just got a look at the excerpts from my debate against Ted Kennedy in 1994, and it reminded me of why I ran against him in the first place. Someone had to give him a run for his money. Now it also shows, y’know, what 13 years will do. I’m grayer, I’m a little heavier, and I hope I’ve grown a bit wiser, as well. Of course, I was wrong on some issues back then. I’m not embarrased to admit that. I think most of us learn with experience. I know I certainly have.”

Here’s the link.

Don’t distort facts. Romney has explained both the when and the why he evolved on life issues, and if you actually wanted his explanations, they’re mere clicks away on the internet.

]]> By: Consumatopia http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2160 Consumatopia Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:17:32 +0000 http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/#comment-2160 Wow, Romney doesn't get it. Changing your mind as your enlightened by new experiences and wisdom is not only permitted, but encouraged. Saint Paul once persecuted Christians, did he not? As long as you explain <i>why</i> you changed your mind, then political and religious conversions are perfectly acceptable. Camecker declares himself to be a convert. Romney does no such thing--he attempts to deny that he ever changed his mind, even though his positions are clearly completely new. Which means either he was lying then or he is lying now. There's no way to tell whether he was then a social conservative maquerading as a social liberal so that he could get elected, or is now a social liberal masquerading as a social conservative. Wow, Romney doesn’t get it. Changing your mind as your enlightened by new experiences and wisdom is not only permitted, but encouraged. Saint Paul once persecuted Christians, did he not? As long as you explain why you changed your mind, then political and religious conversions are perfectly acceptable.

Camecker declares himself to be a convert. Romney does no such thing–he attempts to deny that he ever changed his mind, even though his positions are clearly completely new. Which means either he was lying then or he is lying now. There’s no way to tell whether he was then a social conservative maquerading as a social liberal so that he could get elected, or is now a social liberal masquerading as a social conservative.

]]> By: fredo http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2159 fredo Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:21:36 +0000 http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/#comment-2159 Probably b/c Camenker's argument defeats itself: "Romney cannot be trusted because he's a flip-flopper. Oh, but wait, I'm a flip-flopper. I guess that means I can't be trusted. So maybe Romney can be trusted after all." Mitt's site is pointing out the absurdity of a convert slamming someone else for being a convert. If Mitt had gone out of his way to insult Camenker's integrity first, instead of the other way around, maybe you'd have a point. As it is, it's only January '07, and "eye on '08" is already sounding like "lie on '08." Probably b/c Camenker’s argument defeats itself: “Romney cannot be trusted because he’s a flip-flopper. Oh, but wait, I’m a flip-flopper. I guess that means I can’t be trusted. So maybe Romney can be trusted after all.”

Mitt’s site is pointing out the absurdity of a convert slamming someone else for being a convert. If Mitt had gone out of his way to insult Camenker’s integrity first, instead of the other way around, maybe you’d have a point. As it is, it’s only January ’07, and “eye on ’08″ is already sounding like “lie on ’08.”

]]> By: The Right’s Field » Report Slams Romney’s Record http://sorendayton.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/comment-page-1/#comment-2158 The Right’s Field » Report Slams Romney’s Record Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:15:27 +0000 http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/01/12/romney-attacks-conservative-activist-for-flip-flopping/#comment-2158 [...] Romney responds by citing a Camenker article from 1996 in which he says he was a “social liberal.” [...] [...] Romney responds by citing a Camenker article from 1996 in which he says he was a “social liberal.” [...]

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